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VipeR wrote:Sry i am against release.
No design
No creativity
Just boring and faily parts.

Sad to say I agree too.

Why do you guys even give your opinion on release, when you dont have the skills to finish it anyways? release it for sure. I would love to finish it, a real challange for pros :D 4-5 star brutal?
And who the hell cares about design. All pros uses entities anyways most of the time since the design of most maps is so bad that you can't play with it. Especially on hard brutals you need to play in entities.

Im home so I could work on it^^ and its no problem to add a design^^ or edge freeze you want to see there

I just thought 90% of all players use entities so why I should work on design so hard if noone like appriciate the work

VipeR wrote:Sry i am against release.
No design
No creativity
Just boring and faily parts.

stop being so negative. this is how i look at it:
I'm for release!.
Simple design !
Very creative parts
Very nice and faily parts

This Map is just awesome, its diffrent (that what you always want), it is playable without turning off entities, what do you want more?

Hidden-Ezio wrote:Im home so I could work on it^^ and its no problem to add a design^^ or edge freeze you want to see there

Unfortunately the map isn't good enough to get released like this. I know that the map is supposed to be super hard etc. but this isn't a reason to let the map feel so unenjoyable. Some parts are pretty random and some spots are bad mapped.

To your entities & design stuff ...
Many tees play with entities because they don't like the design of the map or the design is not clearly.
If you don't want to put much effort in the design of your map because of it. You can just make a plain one with a simple matching color scheme.

I'll move the map to waiting for mapper as long you answer or come up with a new version which is more promising. If you want that I show you exactly what I mean you can meet me ingame.

Aoe wrote: Why do you guys even give your opinion on release, when you dont have the skills to finish it anyways?

Even if, they can enjoy playing it and try to finish it. The map isn't really a big deal so everyone can share his opinion (like always).
Also you don't have to feel like that every hard map is only made for pros and that no normal players would play it.

RayB. wrote:

Aoe wrote: Why do you guys even give your opinion on release, when you dont have the skills to finish it anyways?

Even if they can enjoy playing it and try to finish it. The map isn't really a big deal so everyone can share his opinion (like always).
Also you don't have to feel like that every hard map is only made for pros and that no normal players would play it.

Look at it this way. I dont like jazz music, but I dont go in the way of people making jazz songs just because I dont like it.
So just because you dont like this map dosn't mean that it shouldn't get released!.
It dosn't hurt anyone that the map gets released. If people dont have the skills / dont like it, then dont play it

Aoe wrote:Look at it this way. I dont like jazz music, but I dont go in the way of people making jazz songs just because I dont like it.

Even if you don't like a certain style of music it is possible to give objective critism to songs of that style.

hi_leute_gll wrote: Even if you don't like a certain style of music it is possible to give objective critism to songs of that style.

Even if its possible to give objective critism to songs of that style it is possible to not do so.

hi_leute_gll wrote:

Aoe wrote:Look at it this way. I dont like jazz music, but I dont go in the way of people making jazz songs just because I dont like it.

Even if you don't like a certain style of music it is possible to give objective critism to songs of that style.

You dont get it, do you?
Let me explain it to special people like you:
Just because someone gives a map critism, dosn't mean it shouldn't get released.
And why the hell does everyone do it. I dont tell you that i think you are a peace of shit every day, I keep it to myself.

How many of these people can actually play & finish the map?
Only Milk would be able to. So obviously every other guy is not gonna want this map since they wont have any enjoyment themselves.
Why not let the pros get a good map once in a while? is that really too much to ask for to give a map to our oldschool players?
You have no idea how borring novice & moderate is for someone who can finish 5 star brutals.
Does DDNet only care about getting new players and thats the reason you only accept novice, mod & easy brutals?