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Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:03 am
by Lady Saavik
That we need easy Solo mapa doesnt mean that we have to release every easy shit we get.
Just look, this are 3!!! parts. Does it make sense to release 3 parts made in 10 min?!
Look first you jump few times through the freeze, second part you can cheat in 2 ways but lets say you make them. I like these parts. And the third one is just hooking the ceiling few times, just swing. And done. Where is the rest? You read this longer than you play this map. Sure I dont force to make 15min maps, because less means too short for me, but pls. 3 parts???
I promise if you release this map, I will send you 5 more like that.
Yes I very enjoy simple easy maps, I think I quite understand noobs and ok I made #wontfix much easier, because I dont like too hard/annoying maps.
To be clear the reason for not releasing this map is for me only 3! parts without any sense. Idk if I even should call it part, I would connect other parts with it.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:07 am
by Broken
I would very much enjoy 5 more maps like this. I really wish I had more solo maps to play. Do you even realize that in all of ddnet maps there is about 3 or 4 left alone that I can even do, that I haven't finished?
Fact: we have 50 second solo maps.
Fact: we have very few solo maps NEW players can finish.
Fact: people still enjoy speed-running easy/short maps.
Fact: maps people complain about don't hurt anyone.
Fact: LET'S NOT BE SO SCARED OF MAPS. WHY ARE WE PARANOID.
Just my opinion. xD Even if you reject this map at least consider adding something in this range of difficulty.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:08 am
by Index
Broken wrote:index why don't you make that and submit then instead of complaining here. then people can complain about your submission too. i retiled the koules because i had a community that enjoyed them, so sue me.
I didn't complain :o I appreciate that you care about old maps and try to enhance them. I just said, that I would have done it differently. Of course that might be wrong as well, so after all it's just my opinion on that subject.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:09 am
by Broken
Index it's cool, you do a great job. I'd love to see you work on some old maps.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:03 pm
by kamillentee
I think Zkokeeis right how hes rating noob skills. I know it i was the same Noob too. Even on ctf5 i had problems to climb (the easy way) up

. But as I know noobs have really fun to play hard maps (from noob point of view)like multimap or school_hammer. Yes they need two better player to help them but they have fun.
I mean noobs don't need super easy maps to have fun. And real beginners dont need to finish a map to have fun. I think its OK how the state of easy maps is now. But if anyone could map a really really easy map (not a short racemap) it would be cool.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:10 pm
by hi_leute_gll
I don't think that this map is good for real noobs. There are a few jumps and hooks wich are really hard for a newbie.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:36 pm
by Alvin Risk
In my opinion map nice for players which beginning play ddrace and this map need add !~
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:35 pm
by Zgokee
Broken wrote:You really think pros are a good judge of what's fun for a noob? It makes no sense.
Yes, it does. Imo most maps are made for the average skill of tw (aka moderate). These super novice maps would cater to basically nobody, and be pretty stale in gameplay.
I remember this map and the only hard part for speedrunning is the freeze area. Rest of the map is pretty stale.
Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:52 pm
by Broken
Zgokee imo you're being selfish and only want what's fun for you...

Re: koule 11 short solo
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:01 pm
by hi_leute_gll
Broken wrote:
Fact: we have 50 second solo maps.
Fact: That doesn't mean automatically that we need more...
Broken wrote:
Fact: we have very few solo maps NEW players can finish.
Fact: This map wouldn't change anything on this fact.
Broken wrote:
Fact: people still enjoy speed-running easy/short maps.
Fact: There is not much space for speedruns, cause most parts are first try parts.
Broken wrote:
Fact: maps people complain about don't hurt anyone.
Fact: People are annoyed to vote 5 times to find a good map.
Broken wrote:
Fact: LET'S NOT BE SO SCARED OF MAPS. WHY ARE WE PARANOID.
Fact: "we" != "you".