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Skynet speed runs, here I come.

Lady Saavik wrote:They will have stars, give points.

• • How many points they will give?
  • Will they be added to the existing point system or will they be handled separately?
  • How many stars will they have per category and server?
  • So people have to play even more bad maps to keep a high amount of points?
  What is with Team Ranks and Ranks:
  • Will they be added to the exsiting ones, too?
  • What is with dozens of maps wich will have just a few finishes but give 25 points?
  • Mabye it will crash the exisiting leaderboards?
  Also you told me that the server will be deleted if DDmax will reopen:
  • Will the points deleted, too?
  • If yes: Why we should collect the points then?
  • If not: Then it would be impossible for new players to get a high amount of points, cause maps aren't playable anymore? (For the case that points are added to DDNet).

Lady Saavik wrote:Maps from DDNet servers will be moved there

• • What is with the points you already got on these maps?
  • What is with the ranks there?
  • If the server will be deleted, will they be moved back?
  • What is with mapper who wants there maps to be part of DDNet and don't care if they were on DDmax or not?
  • What is with maps wich are completly reworked for DDNet and are far away from the versions wich were released on DDmax?

Lady Saavik wrote:Any further ideas, opinions?

• Instead of adding hundres of maps many don't know and don't want to play you could also make kinda "best of DDmax".
  It would be still a nostalgic memorial thingy, but without adding so much waste.

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Lady Saavik wrote:I know about one mapper who doesn't want his maps here and one map that can't be hosted in DDmaX category, so we will respect it.

Zgokee wrote:Skynet speed runs, here I come.

I bet Saavik is talking about Tsin who made the compilation, right?

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Maybe it would be also better to make no points for them. If it just made for the nostalgic feeling, for what do we need points then?

hi_leute_gll wrote:Maybe it would be also better to make no points for them. If it just made for the nostalgic feeling, for what do we need points then?

+1

Isnt it better to add all maps immediately. Because if all maps are added there is no hype on ddmax server everyday, which prevents people to play on really new maps.

hi_leute_gll wrote:

Lady Saavik wrote:They will have stars, give points.

• • How many points they will give?
  • Will they be added to the existing point system or will they be handled separately?
  • How many stars will they have per category and server?
  • So people have to play even more bad maps to keep a high amount of points?

• We will see how high Multiplier and Offset will be, I don't know yet
• I guess added to excisting point system (if it's bad idea, we can think about other solution)
• All servers (easy, next, pro, nuts) will have rating 1-5 stars, and if it's possible and neeeded - every server will have own points system (Multiplier + Offset), but I have to ask deen
• If these maps are bad for you - yes, logic

hi_leute_gll wrote:What is with Team Ranks and Ranks:

• • Will they be added to the exsiting ones, too?
  • What is with dozens of maps wich will have just a few finishes but give 25 points?
  • Mabye it will crash the exisiting leaderboards?

• The same answer
• And what is the problem? If only one team was able to finish the map it means they are the best - 25points!
• I have no idea

hi_leute_gll wrote:Also you told me that the server will be deleted if DDmax will reopen:

• • Will the points deleted, too?
  • If yes: Why we should collect the points then?
  • If not: Then it would be impossible for new players to get a high amount of points, cause maps aren't playable anymore? (For the case that points are added to DDNet).

Sorry but I never said something like that to anyone. But I hope they will take fixed, better versions from us if they come back. I hope I didn't work 10h for nothing (and it's not ready yet).

hi_leute_gll wrote:

Lady Saavik wrote:Maps from DDNet servers will be moved there

• • What is with the points you already got on these maps?
  • What is with the ranks there?
  • If the server will be deleted, will they be moved back?
  • What is with mapper who wants there maps to be part of DDNet and don't care if they were on DDmax or not?
  • What is with maps wich are completly reworked for DDNet and are far away from the versions wich were released on DDmax?

• You will have them but it will depend how many points DDmaX server gives, it will be recalculated
• Ranks will stay
• If it ever happens, I guess yes
• Exactly this case is meant by "one map that can't be hosted in DDmaX category" - it will be released on DDNet
• I wanted to add them to DDmaX server, because fixes were made by mapper, map is improved, so why we should host old version?

hi_leute_gll wrote:

Lady Saavik wrote:Any further ideas, opinions?

• Instead of adding hundres of maps many don't know and don't want to play you could also make kinda "best of DDmax".
  It would be still a nostalgic memorial thingy, but without adding so much waste.

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As I already said - I don't want to select 'best' maps and delete 'bad' maps, those "DDmaX drag maps" were popular even if it was boring for some people. I don't care what DDmaX hosted and I don't want to change it. You know all people have their tastes.

hi_leute_gll wrote:

Lady Saavik wrote:I know about one mapper who doesn't want his maps here and one map that can't be hosted in DDmaX category, so we will respect it.

Zgokee wrote:Skynet speed runs, here I come.

I bet Saavik is talking about Tsin who made the compilation, right?

No, I don't mean him. We just couldn't add Skynets to DDNet, so it will stay on DDmaX.

hi_leute_gll wrote:EDIT:
Maybe it would be also better to make no points for them. If it just made for the nostalgic feeling, for what do we need points then?

Yes, also an interesting idea. But I'm afraid people want to have some goals and get rewards for finishing maps. I have nothing against no points there. Maybe it's best solution - we won't force people to play bad maps, they will play for entertaiment.

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kamillentee wrote:

hi_leute_gll wrote:Maybe it would be also better to make no points for them. If it just made for the nostalgic feeling, for what do we need points then?

+1
Isnt it better to add all maps immediately. Because if all maps are added there is no hype on ddmax server everyday, which prevents people to play on really new maps.

And imagine people from other countries for example, they don't know all maps, people will vote other maps every minute, because they want to see everything. Imagine a new server online with full vote list with 400 'new' maps. It's pretty confusing. And if you want to have all maps released at once - you have to wait more, untill all are ready. Right now we can release and fix other maps at the same time.

Lady Saavik wrote: If these maps are bad for you - yes, logic

I'm not talking about me...

Lady Saavik wrote:And what is the problem? If only one team was able to finish the map it means they are the best - 25points!

Not rlly. If a map is so bad or annoying that just 2 tees have the mood to finish them, it doesn't mean that they are the best players.
And it is a problem if you get 25 points for just finishing a map while you have to try for hours to reach a good rank on other maps wich are played more often. It is already a problem on DDNet, with 450 additional maps it would get even worse.

Lady Saavik wrote:I have no idea

Yeah, i know that you aren't a speedrunner, but you have to take care for their opinions, too.

Lady Saavik wrote:

hi_leute_gll wrote:Also you told me that the server will be deleted if DDmax will reopen:

Sorry but I never said something like that to anyone.

You did and further you can't close it out.

Lady Saavik wrote:

• Exactly this case is meant by "one map that can't be hosted in DDmaX category" - it will be released on DDNet
• I wanted to add them to DDmaX server, because fixes were made by mapper, map is improved, so why we should host old version?

Maybe you wanna say wich map you mean?
Didn't said that you should host old version, but new versions should stay on DDNet, in my opinion.

Lady Saavik wrote:

hi_leute_gll wrote: Instead of adding hundres of maps many don't know and don't want to play you could also make kinda "best of DDmax".
It would be still a nostalgic memorial thingy, but without adding so much waste.

As I already said - I don't want to select 'best' maps and delete 'bad' maps, those "DDmaX drag maps" were popular even if it was boring for some people. I don't care what DDmaX hosted and I don't want to change it. You know all people have their tastes.

There are popular maps wich people like to play and ones wich people don't like to play. Nothing really new, or?

Lady Saavik wrote:

hi_leute_gll wrote: Maybe it would be also better to make no points for them. If it just made for the nostalgic feeling, for what do we need points then?

Yes, also an interesting idea. But I'm afraid people want to have some goals and get rewards for finishing maps. I have nothing against no points there. Maybe it's best solution - we won't force people to play bad maps, they will play for entertaiment.

The meaning of points in general are an own topic we can discuss long about. I would suggest to make either no points-system or an own point-system.
Then the upper points about speedrunning and the amount of maps would be also solved, cause DDNet's point-system would stay like it is.
And it would also help on the point kamillentee wrote, cause people would still play the new maps to get points there, but anyway i would suggest to release them in shorter time and bigger steps.
For example you could release them every monday and don't release any maps on DDNet on this day (and maybe also on tuesday).
So people have enough time to play their favorite maps without forgetting the new maps.

About the server structure:
I think it would be annoying and messy to have 400 maps in the vote list, so it would be cool if you could vote like Novice, Moderate and so.

And i also see a problem with the amount of servers. At the evening nearly all servers are used, bringing a new category with releasing many maps at the same time could force people to split on many different servers with different maps.

Tell me who gives a fuck about point ranks

DDrace has changed with ddnet maps are getting played once and never again we just have to go with the change

I will love to have 5 new maps everyday that i can play

Lady Saavik, you're handling this very good. Compliment for that. And pls give us points for them (wtf why no points for maps on ddnet)

when ddmax "restarts" the server has to close, deen cant remove points, because ppl would complain ^^ so he does not give them points

thank you hannibal
deen wants to give points for finishing ddmax maps
Welf - maybe then we could cooperate with them and we don't have to close anything!

Wow thank you, Saavik :*
That was obviously a lot of work (10h+ wtf :o), I'm soo glad you did it.
I fully support the idea of adding the maps slowly over time and I also think you should get points :3
Maybe seperated points would be nice though, like each player has a ddnet and a ddmax rank but that's probably too hard to add..? ._.