Just DDRace

[kamillentee]

As i said we tested it with Bumm's brother. He normally isn't playing teeworlds and couldn't pass the map without the help of us "better" players.

Thats very normal and no reason for changing the map. Everyone needed a friendly person to help when the one was a beginner. DDRace is a modification to learn by seeing better players how to play. By the way I really dont know why your aim is to have a map where a absolutly beginnner can play this map from start to finish without playing this game onece before. In my opinion its more important that the beginner is able to play every part by his own IF he know what to do there. Its not important that he can figure the whole map by himself. Parts can be even a bit hard so the player need a lot of tries (without failing ofc).

[Welf]

Maybe i will rework this somewhen..
if anybody has ideas about other parts, just tell me.
it is hard to find parts, which fit for beginners
(well i would also appreciate it, if this map gets released as it is xD)

[RayB.]

I guess the map is a bit too short to get released like it is :>.

[Welf]

My map is not too short, other maps are too long.

Why does a Tutorial need to be there for 30 minutes?

Give me any good Argument

[RayB.]

Who said something about 30 minutes gameplay ?
The map isn't a Tutorial map at all just a easier map with rough explanations . I'm still a fan of this map that's why I want you to make more parts. The map has a good flow and a good gameplay. Now It just doesn't feel finished. I think many people would agree about that. You can also take a look at the previous pages. I'm not the first critizing the length of your map ^.
More parts would make the map also simply better.
If you still need part ideas I suggest to add a hammerfly part and a classic ddrag part.

[Welf]

Okay if it is not a "tutorial" (whatever that word means) the map is for the first time playing ddrace (instead of using that long thing, i say tutorial).

With the "30 minutes" thingy i wanted to mention, that short tutorial maps are somehow more enjoyable.

I thought about what parts could fit into this map. My problem is, that a simple drag part is not a part for me, i don't want to teach them how to play a part solo while the other guy can go afk, that is not ddrace for me. I already put a hammerfly part there, i don't know why you suggest me to make another one.
So make some better suggestions

Alot people said, that the map is too short. They didn't argue about why i should make it longer. I never saw suggestions i really liked :s

If you want to make the map "good"/"releaseable" then do it (and tell me xD). I have reasons why i made this map how it is. I think i also argued for the map beeing short, some people agreed (as far as i remember).

I it will be useless to argue about it xD We are ddnet we don't need reasons

[Welf]

Map will probably be reworked (a bit, i wont add many parts)