gendum by Im 'corneum dummy3-4

[Im 'corneum]

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In the same vein, theres no excuse if an experienced mapper releases a map that does not live up to his own quality standards.
(As in: "we know he can do better than that")

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ALSO, ITS CALLED NICHE

topkek

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This sounds either like I always have to top myself in mapping or that this map is as bad a newcomers map. I like the map, though I know it's not my best. But desoxyribonukleinsäure was also not the best I could do. But for that dns had another style it got released. Actually I like gendum better than dns

[hi_leute_gll]

If it is such a niche map, then host it on a private server, so the 5 people who want to play it can do so, lel.

[Shishigami]

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In the same vein, theres no excuse if an experienced mapper releases a map that does not live up to his own quality standards.
(As in: "we know he can do better than that")

This sounds either like I always have to top myself in mapping or that this map is as bad a newcomers map.

It does not imply either of those

[Welf]

About "flow".
jao you seem to misunderstand me. Maybe the "flow" is good, maybe it is "bad". You even mentioned, that it is a part of speedrunning. If you successfully do a part, you "speedrun" that one, so you might have a short feeling for the "flow"?
Different people have a different taste. This map has its own consistent playstyle, so this is one reason why this map is well mapped.


How do you want to know, that people dislike this? Do you have any good examples to compare with? I don't think so, because this map is rather unique. In my opinion, we should allow unique maps, if they are playable. Different unique mapping styles should not hurt our community.
[In my personal opinion we should allow different styles of mapping, even if they might suck. Some people will like it anyways, but i am here as a tester of ddnet, so i know that we shouldn't release something, if it is mostly disliked, rip variations.]
Yes all testers make their tests with a personal impression. But the unique mapping style is not really something you disagree with. Nobody disagreed. So maybe this is not just a personal impression?


I think you still didn't understand the "edgehook" thingy. Some maps have one element repeated again and again. We are used to the "normal" rehook, as it is known from Purple Panic or O Kbeeer Style. Here we have the i don't know "edge rehook", you don't just simply rehook, you do an edgehook. Like a harder version of the thing you do in the other maps.
Imagine we take a map and replace all easy hammerfly parts with hookfly parts. For me this is like an upgrade of a basic mechanic. You can still personally dislike this element, but it is not uncreative. He did not copy big parts.


Some people like the map, some people dislike the map. For me it seems like you made the decision about the release based on your impression of the map. You did not assume, that somebody might like it. Did you try to analyze it? How do you explain, that Miltee likes the map? Did you think about this or did you only try to decline the map? We have Miltee, Rico, RayB. and me, who are for the release of this map. For me this is close to the release. I don't really want to argue further about this map, because it does not really help. I think right now, if we count the "votes" within this topic, it is a "yes" to a release? Can we get happy with that?


I am not sure about the design, it is a bit dark and hard to see a contrast, since everything is brown. Maybe you should make the unhookables more bright.

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corneum i remember that you didn't want this edgehook to be cheated, did you? (you can still just hook and jump above, this part is a bit easy compared to the pervious one)

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[Im 'corneum]

yes this hook shall not be cheated. As I am not home for yet another week I would kindly ask someone else to fix it so you can only use the way in the video.
There was also a dumb fail. Maybe fix that one too
Or just wait for mapper :D

[jao]

How do you want to know, that people dislike this?

I asked people in-game.

we should allow unique maps, if they are playable

We should allow unique maps, if they are fun for a lot players, not only playable.

Some people will like it anyways

You will always find a person that likes any map, we shouldn't release maps that only "some people" like.

Like a harder version of the thing you do in the other maps

I understand this and I pointed out, that that's a big reason why the map isn't fun.

but it is not uncreative

It may be not uncreative if you use it a few times, but he literally used 12 times the same thing.

We have Miltee, Rico, RayB. and me, who are for the release of this map

There are more people of the community who don't want this to be released, but if you only count Testers then you are right. I guess my opinion is clear enough now. If the majority of Testers really want to release this, go ahead.

I agree with you about the design and want to mention that you can "cheat" the 45 degrees edges with the toggle cl_mouse_max_distance 2 x bind easily. Not sure if Im' corneum considered that.

[Konsti]

There are not many 45° doubleedges, 80° most time

[Im 'corneum]

Fixed one cheat, thanks to welf. Made the generictiles better visible.

[texnonik]

Could you please wait till you only have one map in Testing before you post a new map? And maybe you should give credit to Ravie and me instead of Cellegen, since he copy-pasted the background from us... viewtopic.php?f=92&t=5170

lol in map destruction background was taken from my old race map even name they didnt chaged 53 and there also 54 texture i steel have them

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wow will try to clear non stop parts hardcore !
Just started to play looks intresting !
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[meew']

didnt read all but i want this released