Just DDRace

[Welf]

1. what is so hard to understand? they can easily learn, that they have to hook before hammer
2. real beginners wont do that so it doesn't matter, also novices are allowed to do alternave ways
3. wont change lol (that text is rather general)
4. what about the text? i can also keep it, so they hook each other out (or understand that they can get unfreeze in freeze)
5. it's like hook your mate through THE FREEZE and not hook through this and the mate

so yeah, wont change any of your screens. why not a short tutorial map? nobody likes a long tutorial map, on what he has to learn much hard to understand stuff.

the idea of a short map for beginners isn't that bad in my opinion, i will also be too lazy for a rework i guess ^^ (and everybody seems to know, what is best for real beginners, without seeing real beginners playing it, that is really annoying for me right now

[kamillentee]

I think you can understand the real nubs very good Welf. Most are not able to see DDrace from nubs perspective in that good way.

[hi_leute_gll]

Tested with Silex, <BµmM> and his brother.

The map is too complicated mapped in a few parts, too much to do, too much text, etc..
Also it is still pretty short. We think it should get a bigger rework to get released.

[Welf]

Tell me what i should change... where do beginners stuck?
Why is the length a problem? I really often said the reason for the length, but nobody is arguing about this, people just say that it is too short...
Is it too short, because other maps are longer? I just don't get the problem there...

If somebody doesn't want to read the text, he can try it by hiself. The text should explain what to do, but these parts are sometimes understandable without text, even for beginners. If i should cut some texts, tell me where.

What should i even "rework" on this? The parts are doable for beginners and explain basic stuff...

[RayB.]

The map is too complicated mapped in a few parts, too much to do, too much text, etc..

The Map is nothing special. But the Map is good for starter. You cannot simply say the player will think that the map is too complicated. Although they have, nevertheless, the explanation and the chance to try it out. When the Starter try the map out and fail maybe. He can go fastly to the place where he die.

We think it should get a bigger rework to get released.

There is nothing to rework. All parts are easy and simple to play. Maybe not funny for better racers. But good for novice racers and Starters.

[hi_leute_gll]

We think it should get a bigger rework to get released.

There is nothing to rework. All parts are easy and simple to play. Maybe not funny for better racers. But good for novice racers and Starters.

As i said we tested it with Bumm's brother. He normally isn't playing teeworlds and couldn't pass the map without the help of us "better" players.

[Welf]

so finally tell me what to change?

[RayB.]

Yes but he could try it alone until he can it or not ?

[hi_leute_gll]

I would do a more detailed post if i would have time for it, but as you might see i am currently busy with other things. >.<

[Welf]

right now im not interested in reworking. anyways i think one of the hookthrough parts is really nice and some basic stuff can be learned (catching, weapons, hookthrough) and we don't have a map for real beginners (in Seasons some parts are really too hard for them, e.g. hammerthrow)
i will put it in archive.
If anybody wants to make a map for real beginners and wants some ideas/help from me, he can talk to me (maybe, if somebody cares, he can rework the map)
maybe even i will do a rework somewhen, so i might dig it out of archive