[Novice]Pisull

[deen]

We definitely are missing Novice maps. Especially we still have no real 1 star Novice map, with which the noobs could start out perfectly. I understand that hi_leute_gll wants maps to be creative, but he seems harsh in how he says so and wants to decline so many maps.

I don't think we should just say "release every map we get". Instead we should maintain some standard to encourage mappers to create better maps. For Novice making a highly creative map is very hard, so this argument shouldn't count as much here.

[HMH]

I agree to Broken and deen. DDNet lacks of novice maps, sometimes I play with newbies and they often ask me to choose an easy map which is at their skilllevel. And to be honest it is not that easy to find easy novice maps for them, actually there are not enough. And ofcourse easy novice maps can NOT have that much creative new parts, since the abilities of newbies are limited to a few rather basic things. This is something you should always think of when you test those maps, there are always new players that carefully need to be introduced into DDRace. Do not blew them with super creative maps but give them some basic parts.

[hi_leute_gll]

I agree with you two about easy Novice maps. But this isn't a 1-2* Star map, it's about 3-4*, i think.
Last maps of Evoli got all 3 Stars and this map is similar.

Many people told me in last weeks and month that they don't find a good map on higher Novice, cause they don't want to play boring maps.

Making a creative map doesn't mean, that it is totally new. It can uses standard parts and let them look different.
Look at maps like Awayst, Dry Lagoon. Kindergarten, etc...
They are all different and unique, but still good playable for Novice players. And this are maps, the people are looking for on higher Novice.

It's different if you play as Newbie on 1-2* or with a bit experience on higher Novice.


Btw:: Took a look with Welf and Daer on it. Both wasn't very excited.

[Lady Saavik]

But people liked Evolis maps, they have many many finishes, it's fast gameplay for better players.

[hi_leute_gll]

I didn't say last maps were bad, did i?

I just said, that -in my opinion- we don't need more maps like this. I know that Evoli is able to do cool parts. And this map has some. But there are a few things that aren't really cool and unbalanced.

I said, i can show him what i mean, if he wants to. But it seems like he didn't?

[Lady Saavik]

I didn't say you did, did I??? What the fuck did you understand?

Look when I read what you say I again feel that you change your opinion every post. Just like with map Rema. First I understood you don't want release, then ok do it, then no it's bad, then "I didn't say bla bla". I asked 389459 times the same question because I wanted clear answer, because I rly didn't know what is your opinion.
I rly don't know what's wrong with this map. Few parts are too hard (you said now first time 'unbalanced'), but he can fix it, so what's the problem? Why you never can say exactly what is wrong, which parts? I tried to fix some maps even 20x (The Shire?) and you better reject it than fight for it. Just like Rema by Tira. It's not bad mapped, no huge bugs, has fking potential, it's just you that don't like something... so fix it and release? Would hannibal make The Rivendell if I would say "archive, don't fix, not worth it?". It was rly annoying playing first version. If you want easier maps - suggest Evoli to make this super easy.
You forgot testers can tell mapper to fix some parts and explain why?
"But it seems like he didn't?" let him come here, read and answer. Last active: Today, 00:58, so he didn't read like one site...
And why the fuck you're waiting for mappers response if he wants to know why this map can't be released????? You expect "No, I don't care"?
Just post screenshots here and explain and let him fix, idk. Evoli learns not to make the same mistakes. I don't understand this question "I can show you whats wrong if you want". And what if I want?

[Welf]

You all misunderstood hi_leute_gll
There was another map of Evoli, where also many parts should be changed, Evoli didn't want to change so it got rejected. We want to change some more parts and thought that Evoli here does not want to change much, so no release would be needed, thats why hi_leute_gll wrote his first post like it is.
Some parts are standard, some parts are new and creative, so noobs can do the standard parts and will fail with the new ones? I think they would get stuck somewhere, so all parts can be that new and creative, they will get stuck anyways ^^

However this is not for beginner/noobs, some parts are too hard or annoying for them, so we would like you to make all parts creative and innovative, to have a cool new map imo map can also be released without these changes...

[Lady Saavik]

so its his fking fault if he cant explain it, why should I believe you that's what he wanetd to say if nobody understands him right?
"and we thought that Evoli here does not want to change much" so stop thinking pls
??????????
you are again like 8935409 things are wrong, but "map can also be released without these changes..." fuck logic
no it can't, some parts are too hard
it can stay something standard and something new/creative - whats wrong with it???? it's more than good to have some chillig parts
don't force him to make every part innovative, I can't believe your "100% parts has to be creative" you said on server was seriously

[Welf]

"so stop thinking pls"
stop insulting me, maybe delete this aggressive post -.-

map can be released on moderate, why not? you want to force him to change the parts?
"don't force him to make every part innovative" LOOOL i just said "imo map can also be released without these changes..." so i dont want to force him at all -.-

"100% parts has to be creative" idk if i said it in this way, i wanted to say that we dont need these standard parts, in my opinion. okay 100% is maybe too much

[Lady Saavik]

oh god